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Jodie Foster and Robert Downey Jr. have a long history. Their careers have intersected over time, starting when Foster directed Downey in her 1995 Thanksgiving comedy 鈥淗ome for the Holidays,鈥 where he played the sweet-natured but rebellious black sheep of the family. More recently, both were nominated in supporting categories at this year鈥檚 Oscars 鈥 Foster was nominated for her role as an encouraging swim coach in 鈥淣yad,鈥 and Downey won for playing a villainous government official in 鈥淥ppenheimer鈥 鈥 and played key roles in HBO limited series. Foster was a hard-bitten cop in 鈥淭rue Detective: Night Country,鈥 writer-director Issa L贸pez鈥檚 reimagining of the crime franchise that centered on Alaska Native communities. Downey tackled four roles 鈥 a CIA agent, a university professor, a congressman and an indie filmmaker, each representing a facet of the American power structure 鈥 in Korean director Park Chan-wook鈥檚 adaptation of the post-Vietnam War novel 鈥淭he Sympathizer.鈥

ROBERT DOWNEY JR.: My first question for you 鈥 when Dylan McDermott and I were misbehaving during the rehearsal process [of 鈥淗ome for the Holidays鈥漖, you got momentarily irate, because we were so out of control that it was louder than the rehearsal itself. Do you remember putting us in check?

JODIE FOSTER: I don鈥檛. But I was used to working with children, so that鈥檚 something I do well. I say to them, 鈥淚f you move, I鈥檓 going to step on your foot really hard.鈥

DOWNEY: This is part of the trouble 鈥 and the great opportunity 鈥 when you start so young. We are preconditioned to take direction. Not necessarily to do as we鈥檙e told, but, yeah, we take direction.

FOSTER: I think it鈥檚 a gift having started young 鈥 and abusive 鈥

DOWNEY: I love the abuse part.

FOSTER: 鈥 rolled up into one.

DOWNEY: I remember what a singular experience I had with you as a director. I didn鈥檛 get any screen time with you. And 鈥淗ome for the Holidays鈥 has become one of these films that everybody watches at Thanksgiving. Maybe you had a sense that it would be something that so many folks would relate to.

FOSTER: I was almost 30 at the time, and I had ambivalent feelings about Thanksgiving. It was a little too intimate. I was stuck in a room with a bunch of people that hadn鈥檛 chosen to be there 鈥 we were just born together. Very often, there鈥檚 terrible, racist things that pop up, and there鈥檚 nowhere to go. It鈥檚 part of your DNA, and somehow you love them, but you also can鈥檛 stand being in the same room with them.

DOWNEY: At one point [in the film], I flipped the whole turkey. And it hits the only truly miserable person.

FOSTER: We had to inject the whole cavity of the turkey with as much juice as we could get in there, so that when it fell on her, it was an avalanche of disgustingness.

DOWNEY: It was one of my favorite scenes I鈥檝e ever done.

FOSTER: All perfect because of you. You have a big mouth and a crazy mind that loves the freedom of being in the moment, which is not who I am, but who I wish to be鈥攕omebody that鈥檚 free like you.

DOWNEY: I was pretty out of my mind the whole time we were shooting, but I remember it feeling like one of the most relaxed performances in the history of cinema.

FOSTER: What I was thinking about when I was thinking about going to meet up with you is that we started in the same place 鈥 as child actors 鈥 but we have opposite trajectories. You came to the table with this freedom, and you didn鈥檛 have the discipline part necessarily down for a number of years. Then increasingly over time, in your martial-artist way, you鈥檝e become this extraordinarily disciplined person that still has the fun and the joy.

DOWNEY: You wrote me a letter once. In it, you talked about Chaplin and his precision. And it turns out it was one of the most prophetic things. You鈥檝e impacted me so greatly.

FOSTER: I started out as 鈥淵ou just do what people say, and you just follow this path, and these are the goals that I have, and these are the things that I want to do.鈥 And I really realized as I got older that, as helpful as that was for my career, it was unfree. When I got older, I learned how to be freer instead of so disciplined.

DOWNEY: Well, it鈥檚 apparent. In 鈥淣ight Country,鈥 there鈥檚 so much precision. And yet I saw you give yourself the freedom to play a character that I see none of you in. And that you chose this project, it鈥檚 just bananas to me. And with Issa L贸pez.

FOSTER: Well, the world is hopefully growing and changing in the right direction. We鈥檙e getting better instead of worse and becoming more conscious. That鈥檚 what I hope, anyway. And what you hope with movies is that you鈥檙e part of creating an atmosphere where people can challenge themselves. And very often now, when I鈥檓 in my 50s and 60s, I ask myself the question of 鈥淲hy isn鈥檛 that guy talking? Why are you talking?鈥 This is also true with 鈥淭he Sympathizer鈥: It鈥檚 really important to reframe and re-center who does the talking and who tells the story. Vietnam, for example: 鈥淭he Sympathizer鈥 really deals with that time. And I was around then. You weren鈥檛 quite around then, but I was around then.

DOWNEY: It was the event that most affected my formative years.

FOSTER: I was a young person, but there was that conflict of figuring out, should you be on the side of your country? And were we on the right side? Would we regret this? And what would history say? And Park Chan-wook 鈥 it鈥檚 just so visually stunning.

DOWNEY: Director Park had a really strong take on it. He asked if I wanted to play all the white guys. Finally, it鈥檚 telling the story from the perspective of what the Vietnamese called it: 鈥渢he American war.鈥 When you sat with Issa L贸pez, from the time you had the first meeting with her, how did that go?

FOSTER: She was such an exciting voice. And the second I met her I knew that this was the vision we needed. She is totally clear about what she wants. And she鈥檚 the first person on a dance floor, which I love. We鈥檝e become close friends. I think she鈥檚 my favorite director that I鈥檝e ever worked with, and I鈥檝e worked with a lot of big guys.

DOWNEY: You made that big reach of saying, 鈥淟et鈥檚 have this character be a challenge to empathize with.鈥 But you do win us back.

FOSTER: This is the beauty of having limited series. You can expand on a story. I was thinking of 鈥淜illers of the Flower Moon鈥 鈥 extraordinary movie, three-and-a-half hours long. And I thought, 鈥淚 wonder why they didn鈥檛 do it eight hours long鈥 鈥 to be able to explore all these other people, and give them another perspective. The great thing about limited series is you can have that novelistic idea of going off into tangents and tying them together.

DOWNEY: You have a very high capacity for pain once you鈥檝e committed to something. But the crazy thing is, I just kept hearing, 鈥淛odie loves being in Iceland.鈥

FOSTER: There鈥檚 live music everywhere. The food is delicious. They have geothermal baths everywhere. Instead of going to a pub, you go to the baths. But 58 nights outside in subzero temperatures is tough. You have the clothes on and the little hot pads. I had hot pads in my hat. However, you still have to breathe.

DOWNEY: Because it鈥檚 so cold it feels like your teeth are going to crack.

FOSTER: So you have to do exercises where you breathe into your hands to get your lungs ready for the fact that you鈥檙e going to hit this cold winter. When you take on a limited series, you immerse yourself in the culture. And if you do it right, that informs everything you鈥檙e doing. With Issa, the only thing she knew was that she wanted it to be in the Arctic Circle. The second she started doing the research, all the pieces came together, because 85% of people above the Arctic Circle are Native people. On 鈥淭he Sympathizer,鈥 what鈥檚 so great about it is you have the Vietnamese perspective, and the perspective of first-generation people that are coming [to the U.S.]. The complexity of that was so well observed by Park Chan-wook, who doesn鈥檛 come from America.

DOWNEY: Like Vietnam was, Korea is still divided. So he鈥檚 said that he鈥檚 never felt that there鈥檚 been a story he could relate to more.

FOSTER: Did you guys come up with your four characters together?

DOWNEY: Having just come from 鈥淥ppenheimer,鈥 I was like, 鈥淚 just want to play.鈥 I wanted the four characters to be a little two-dimensional. The congressman was probably my favorite, because it was every midcentury politico.

FOSTER: Bright teeth and that perfect little combover.

DOWNEY: And these huge lifts, so I was always taller than everyone. And for the auteur, I was thinking about Polanski.

FOSTER: When you have four characters all in one scene 鈥 how does that work? It鈥檚 very technical.

DOWNEY: [The production said,] 鈥淲e鈥檝e got to shoot this in two days, and we have to make sure Downey doesn鈥檛 go crazy, and that we don鈥檛 lose the pixie dust.鈥 I shot Claude [the CIA agent] in the morning, the congressman in the afternoon. The next day, came back, shot the professor in the morning and the auteur in the afternoon. I鈥檒l shoot this back at you: You look at the schedule and you go, 鈥淭hose two days are what I鈥檓 afraid of.鈥 What part of the 鈥淣ight Country鈥 schedule did you always have circled, like, 鈥淭hat鈥檚 going to be hell鈥?

FOSTER: Falling through the ice.

DOWNEY: Had to be.

FOSTER: Because I kept saying, 鈥淗ow are we going to do it?鈥 And they鈥檇 be like, 鈥淥h, we鈥檒l see.鈥 Because it鈥檚 at the end. But we鈥檙e not really falling through the ice, right?

DOWNEY: You want to be game, but of course they鈥檙e not going to 鈥

FOSTER: Yeah. So we shot that on a big tank. And it鈥檚 entirely dark, maybe 150 feet down. I work with a free diver, who鈥檚 like, 鈥淭his is how we hold our breath in a way that allows us to keep going down. I鈥檓 going to be off to the side. When they say 鈥楥ut,鈥 I can swim to you and save you.鈥 They weighted every jacket so I couldn鈥檛 get to the surface, and I had big boots on. The thing I hadn鈥檛 anticipated was that I couldn鈥檛 see anything in front of me. It was actually my worst nightmare. Usually, it鈥檚 the opposite when you designate something like, 鈥淭his is going to be bad.鈥 But when I got there, it was bad.

DOWNEY: Here鈥檚 the funny thing: 鈥淣obody cares what you went through, Robert. We liked it when we saw it.鈥 I cared, because I was really apprehensive. As long as nobody else cared, maybe I should care a little less.

FOSTER: Unless it鈥檚 dangerous. Then you should care. You鈥檝e done your share of crazy, unsafe stunts that are out there, and you鈥檝e been in a suit.

DOWNEY: Yes. I love it.

FOSTER: Would you think of putting the suit back on again for Tony Stark?

DOWNEY: It鈥檚 just crazily in my DNA. Probably the most like-me character I鈥檝e ever played, even though he鈥檚 way cooler than I am. I鈥檝e become surprisingly open-minded to the idea. Between 鈥淣yad鈥 and [鈥淣ight Country鈥漖 and, for me, 鈥淥ppenheimer鈥 and then 鈥淪ympathizer,鈥 it really is crazy because we look pretty good. I was actually looking at the stills we were taking, making sure: 鈥淒o we still look kind of OK?鈥 I鈥檓 like, 鈥淲e look pretty good.鈥


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